Be very afraid (Part 3)

AA:
Mr. James, since you are a follower of blind faith i will give a few verses to you that your Conservative counterparts usually forget :
Genesis 9:6 (King James Version)
6Whoso sheddeth man’s blood, by man shall his blood be shed: for in the image of God made he man.

WITH THE  amount of bloodshed in Iraq over 4,000 US and over 100,000 Iraqis. not to mention the “coalition of pish posh nations” for the occupation of Iraq. Your christian conservative felloWship has no problem at all bringing the teeth of war to all citizens of the world regardless of religious affiliation.

There is another question I have for you sir.  Are you a vegan?here is another verse that most “so called ” christians forget

Genesis 1:29 (King James Version)
29And God said, Behold, I have given you every herb bearing seed, which is upon the face of all the earth, and every tree, in the which is the fruit of a tree yielding seed; to you it shall be for meat.

So sir if you are not following at least these two OF GOD’S WORD in my eyes my good man you are a hypocrite.  Don’t give me the malarkey about jebus saying its ok BE CAUSE IF YOU READ THE QUOTE from the beginning. THE FATHER SAID WHAT IS OK. There is a reason that your forefathers separated church and state.  Please dont compare what politicians do to what christ lived for.  Jebus was a revolutionary who didnt support any political party or candidate. JEBUS WAS NOT A CHRISTIAN. and personally if you would like to know. I practice the religion of ADAM.  Go directly to the source and listen!!! by the way peace be unto you. that is what jebus would always say in greeting, it coincidentally is the same phrase that muslims utter in greetings.  Peace. Try sending peace to your warmongering political party and then you might just might have an idea of what JEBUS WAS\IS!!

James:
You made seven trite and unnecessary (in that your rant does not specifically address anything that was previously said) assertions that I intend to thoroughly refute so that others do not attempt to erroneously recycle your propositions for future use.

Assertion 1 – Christianity is a blind faith

Accepting biblical presuppositions or axioms is not a matter of blind faith. Biblical faith is not blind; rather, it is defensible faith for sound reasons. Christian faith involves evidence; (Luke 1:1-4; John 19:35, 20:31; Acts 1:3, 1 Thessalonians 5:21). God endowed us with brains, innate knowledge and provided evidence for us to see and believe. In other words, Christianity is an objective faith-a rational, logical faith based on facts. For example, there more evidence or information in the following 4 areas for the Bible than there is for any other book of antiquity: Manuscripts, Archaeology, Prophecy, and Statistics (just remember the acronym MAPS)

Assertion 2 – War is immoral (especially the Iraq war)
Firstly, the coalition of “pish posh” nations you refer to number over 40, in fact, it’s the second largest wartime coalition in history, trumped only by the Allied coalition of World War II. Secondly, Genesis 9:6 implies the shedding of man’s blood in an unjust manner; therefore, since war in certain contexts is biblically justifiable, this verse is not a valid proof text for your premise. For example, the death penalty is biblical even in light of this verse. Paul acknowledged this in Acts 25:11 and Romans 13. For the rest of the rebuttal, please see my response in: Be very afraid (Part 2).

Assertion 3 – God demands vegetarianism

That this canard (from the waste bins of biblical skepticism) still makes its way around astounds me! Even skeptics “born yesterday” understand that the biblical mandate for vegetarianism (in Genesis 1:29) was superseded in Genesis 9:3 (Every moving thing that liveth shall be meat for you; even as the green herb have I given you all things.)

Assertion 4 – Jesus was not a Christian

Since Christianity is the belief in ALL the Godly propositions contained in the 66 books of the bible and their logical inferences or implications, and all these propositions are straight from God, and Jesus is God, then Jesus was a Christian. But this enthymeme aside, let us examine this statement of yours closely. An equivalent assertion is: Mr James was not a follower of Mr.James. This is clearly absurd for many reasons, but perhaps the most obvious of these reasons is the fact that Mr James would obviously endorse (or follow) everything that Mr. James says or does, after all, we are speaking of the same person (unless of course, Mr. James suffered from schizophrenia or some other mental disorder). So why this may sound jarring or contradictory, it actually is true.

Assertion 5 – Our fore [founding] fathers separated church and state

The phrase “Founding Fathers” actually refers to a very specific group of people, the 55 delegates to the Constitutional Convention. And while there were other important players, like Jefferson, whose thinking deeply influenced the direction of our nation and who were not in attendance, but these 55 Fathers make up the core.

“The denominational affiliation of these men is a matter of public record. Among the delegates were 28 Episcopalians, 8 Presbyterians, 7 Congregationalists, 2 Lutherans, 2 Dutch Reformed, 2 Methodists, 2 Roman Catholics, 1 unknown and only 3 deists–Williamson, Wilson and Franklin, this at a time when church membership entailed a sworn public confession of biblical faith.” (John Eidsmoe, Christianity and the Constitution, (Grand Rapids: Baker, 1987), p. 43.) This is a very revealing tally. It means that the members of the Constitutional Convention, the most influential group of men shaping the political foundations of our nation, were almost all Christians, 51 (if you count the Catholic) of 55, or a whopping 93%!  As stated earlier, Thomas Jefferson wasn’t a member of the Constitutional Convention, and the phrase “separation of church and state” does not appear anywhere in the Constitution or the Bill of Rights. It is therefore, quite erroneous to suggest that our Founding Fathers separated church and state. In fact, the current understanding of “separation of church and state”–the view that the state is thoroughly secular and should never be influenced by religious values, especially Christian–was completely foreign to the first 150 years of American political thought. Clearly the Founding Fathers did not try to remove every vestige of Christian religion, Christian thought, and Christian values from all facets of public life; in fact, they were friendly to Christianity and encouraged its public practice and expression.

Assertion 6 – It is wrong to compare what politicians do to what Christ lived for

Before I proceed, I welcome you to go to (http://www.defendchristians.org/pages/page.asp?page_id=45184) and check out the “7 reasons why Obama is not a Christian.” I thought that many of the points they (CADC) made were very compelling. In fact, prior to stumbling upon this website I had not realized that Obama believed in religious pluralism (although I always suspected that he wasn’t really a Christian.)

Now, moving right along, let me first suggest that the only thing that really matters in America, in terms of our success, is our adherence to the words and teachings of Christ. Everything else pales in significance and therefore politicians should take every chance they get to align all of their thinking with Christ’s. They should deliberately espouse Christian ideals and morals from whatever political seat or platform they are afforded.

Assertion 7 – Jesus always said “Peace be unto you” in His greetings

There is no reason to believe that Jesus went around saying “Peace be unto you” in his greetings. In fact, in scripture which for all intents and purposes is a chronicle of Christ’s ministry, he is only recorded as saying that particular phrase twice. Therefore and based upon the fact that this phrase accounts for less than 1% of the things Christ is recorded as saying, I would challenge your use of the word “always” in regards to this utterance and its attribution to Christ. Furthermore, I would recommend that you cease from making this claim in the future as there is no scriptural or historical basis for doing so.

Follow Up

Many things you said earlier were either confusing or unsearchable so I ask the following questions for clarity:

Question 1: What is (or was) the religion of “ADAM” and what does it have to do with going directly to “the source”?

Question 2: Exactly how do I go about “sending peace” to this “warmongering party” and how does doing this give me an idea of who Jesus was or is (in light of the following verse from Christ: “Think not that I am come to send peace on earth: I came not to send peace, but a sword. Matthew 10:34, KJV”)?

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