Be very afraid (Part 4)

JF:
I initially didn’t want to respond but with all the unsolicited e-mail threads coupled with the election just days away I thought I’d “chime in”.  (I will steal a line from SNL and say) James and I don’t always agree on everything/anything!!!  James has always been very superior at articulating Republican talking points straight from the lawn of the White house.You see James brings up a lot of very good points and excellent scriptural references, but what James realizes (at least I hope he does) but fails to articulate (as well as he has done in these threads) is that this election isn’t about electing the next Pastor of America, but rather the next President of America.  Neither of these candidates are perfect, I will even go as far as to say that neither of these candidates are what the teachings in Bible characterize as a strong Christian.  I will even go as far as to say that these candidates are far more POLITICIANS than they are Christians.  Though I could even go as far as to make a rather intelligent hypothesis based upon scripture and suggest that neither candidate is a true Christian, but that is another topic for another day…I could go on and on about why both candidates are flawed and support anti-God views but that is why I stated earlier that we are electing a President, not a Pastor.  My argument would make more sense if I explained it form of a simple rhetorical question.  If an opening for CEO was available at the company James works for, and the new CEO-to-be had to be voted in by the employees.  If the finalist were me (JF) and (lets say) Warren Buffet, would James vote for me because I am a Bible-believing Christian?  Continue reading

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Be very afraid (Part 3)

AA:
Mr. James, since you are a follower of blind faith i will give a few verses to you that your Conservative counterparts usually forget :
Genesis 9:6 (King James Version)
6Whoso sheddeth man’s blood, by man shall his blood be shed: for in the image of God made he man.

WITH THE  amount of bloodshed in Iraq over 4,000 US and over 100,000 Iraqis. not to mention the “coalition of pish posh nations” for the occupation of Iraq. Your christian conservative felloWship has no problem at all bringing the teeth of war to all citizens of the world regardless of religious affiliation.

There is another question I have for you sir.  Are you a vegan?here is another verse that most “so called ” christians forget

Genesis 1:29 (King James Version)
29And God said, Behold, I have given you every herb bearing seed, which is upon the face of all the earth, and every tree, in the which is the fruit of a tree yielding seed; to you it shall be for meat.

So sir if you are not following at least these two OF GOD’S WORD in my eyes my good man you are a hypocrite.  Don’t give me the malarkey about jebus saying its ok BE CAUSE IF YOU READ THE QUOTE from the beginning. THE FATHER SAID WHAT IS OK. There is a reason that your forefathers separated church and state.  Please dont compare what politicians do to what christ lived for.  Jebus was a revolutionary who didnt support any political party or candidate. JEBUS WAS NOT A CHRISTIAN. and personally if you would like to know. I practice the religion of ADAM.  Go directly to the source and listen!!! by the way peace be unto you. that is what jebus would always say in greeting, it coincidentally is the same phrase that muslims utter in greetings.  Peace. Try sending peace to your warmongering political party and then you might just might have an idea of what JEBUS WAS\IS!!

James:
You made seven trite and unnecessary (in that your rant does not specifically address anything that was previously said) assertions that I intend to thoroughly refute so that others do not attempt to erroneously recycle your propositions for future use.

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Be very afraid (Part 2)

CW:
James, I’m going to ask you with a straight faceand i want a straight answer, do you really believe that governor palin with ALL you have seen so far is more qualified than biden, or obama. please be straight!!

James:
Your question implies that you have previously received crooked answers from me (otherwise why would you feel the need to request a straight answer?). However, since this is our first dialogue ever, I doubt that I was the originator of the crooked answers you have apparently received in the past. Christians generally are inclined to forthrightness since this is our duty. There is therefore no need to plead that I “be straight”. Either way, Of course I think Palin is more qualified than Biden. But more importantly, Palin (even with all her imperfections) is more inline with conforming her thoughts, principles and life to God’s word which is by far the most important thing a politician can do.

CW:
You have a true and old name.  I have never met you, but you feel
strongly about this topic so I thought I might listen and respond.
Whenever anyone invokes God, I always listen.  I try to remind myself
the question “who am I”, and what they make speak may be my salvation.
I am a Christian, but perhaps not as religious as you.  Compassion is
something Jesus taught us.  If I do anything right, I have made
compassion my daily ethic.
I think Barack Obama speaks truth in a way that we have not heard in
recent times.  Perhaps Sarah Palin speaks truth, and I know John
McCain speaks truth.  But to me, Barack’s compassion stands out from
the crowd.  I would like to see him have a chance.

James:
Firstly, if we would simply give God the preeminence he deserves his followers would not have to “invoke” Him ad nasuem. After all, what else matters apart from Christ? Continue reading

Palin Foreign Policy – Be very afraid?

TA:
I know there are some Republicans on this list so I don’t mean this to be political necessarily, but Mrs. Palin is just plain simple.
Watch this video and tell me you’re not worried this person has a very real chance of being the most powerful person in the world in the very near future.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2008/09/25/palin-talks-russia-with-k_n_129318.html

James:
TA, You need to practice thinking objectively, Palins’s comments concerning foreign policy do not even come remotely close to the absurdity of the claims made by Obama concerning his foreign policy experience.

As someone else on the internet said concerning Obama’s foreign policy comments:

Barack Obama lived in Indonesia from 1967 to 1971. Born in 1961, he’s admitting that he brings to the table the foreign policy experience of a 6-10 year old… is that really the depth of experience that he thinks American voters want in a leader? If so, my experiences playing with G.I. Joe when I was that age qualify me to be Secretary of Defense.

HuffingtonPost article right back at you:

Last night at a fundraiser in San Francisco, Barack Obama took a question on what he’s looking for in a running mate. “I would like somebody who knows about a bunch of stuff that I’m not as expert on,” he said, and then he was off and running. “I think a lot of people assume that might be some sort of military thing to make me look more Commander-in-Chief-like. Ironically, this is an area–foreign policy is the area where I am probably most confident that I know more and understand the world better than Senator Clinton or Senator McCain.”

“It’s ironic because this is supposedly the place where experience is most needed to be Commander-in-Chief. Experience in Washington is not knowledge of the world. This I know. When Senator Clinton brags ‘I’ve met leaders from eighty countries’–I know what those trips are like! I’ve been on them. You go from the airport to the embassy. There’s a group of children who do native dance. You meet with the CIA station chief and the embassy and they give you a briefing. You go take a tour of a plant that [with] the assistance of USAID has started something. And then–you go.”

“You do that in eighty countries–you don’t know those eighty countries. So when I speak about having lived in Indonesia for four years, having family that is impoverished in small villages in Africa–knowing the leaders is not important–what I know is the people. . . .”

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/mayhill-fowler/obama-says-no-to-foreign_b_95357.html

Affirming the consequent…

This logical fallacy goes something like this:

If P then Q, Q therefore P

DM:
If the Bible isn’t clear then there will be a lot of different interpretations and denominations. There are a lot of different interpretations and denominations therefore the bible isn’t clear (necessitating the need for the magistarium).

James:
The obvious problem with this fallacy is that there are certainly many other reasons why Q happens (i.e. illiteracy, pride, ulterior motives, etc) and therefore one cannot necessarily infer the antecedent (P) from the Consequent (Q)

For more information on this See (How Heresy Helps)